missing individual covariates

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missing individual covariates

Postby brouwerl » Tue Mar 08, 2005 4:41 am

I have a data set with natal territory quality as an individual covariate, however, this ind cov is not available for all years.
Can I just include it for the years available and for the years not available just include a '1' in my design matrix? Or do I have to reduce my dataset to one in which the ind cov is available for all years?


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Missing individual covariates

Postby gwhite » Tue Mar 08, 2005 10:27 am

Lyanne:
You can use missing values in individual covariates, but you have to be very careful how you do it. First, use the z transformation to replace all the values that you do have with their z-transformed value (i.e., (x - mean)/sd). Then, for the missing values, give them the value of zero, so that they correspond to the mean. Because the new variate is scaled to have a zero mean, a zero value does not affect the slope, and represents the pivot of the line relating the covariate to the real parameter.

I only suggest this option for when the individual covariate is missing in a few places, and not because you failed to catch the animals. If you are missing the value because you failed to catch the animal, then you need to convert the covariate to a categorical variable, and use the multistrata model to handle the missing values. That is, each of the categories now represents a stratum, and animals transition between the strata, regardless of whether you captured them or not.

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categorical covariates and missing data

Postby rlong » Thu Mar 10, 2005 6:50 pm

Is there a similar way to treat missing categorical covariate data that is dummy coded? The only approach I can think of is to include an extra dummy variable for "missing", and model this as one of the categories.

Thanks for any thoughts.

Robert

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Re: categorical covariates and missing data

Postby cooch » Thu Mar 10, 2005 7:37 pm

rlong wrote:Is there a similar way to treat missing categorical covariate data that is dummy coded? The only approach I can think of is to include an extra dummy variable for "missing", and model this as one of the categories.

Thanks for any thoughts.

Robert

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Gary's suggestion (previous posting in this thread) on using a multi-state approach is, in fact, a natural solution for categorical covariates.
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Postby brouwerl » Fri Mar 18, 2005 5:15 am

So the missing ind cov do not influence the slope in this way, but what about the p-value?
I would like to test the effect of an ind cov that is only available for 3 years, but to get the best survival estimates I would like to use my complete data set which includes data from over 10 years. However, in this way I would have a lot of missing values and I cannot test for the significance of the ind cov anymore? Is there a way to do this?

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Postby cooch » Fri Mar 18, 2005 9:48 am

brouwerl wrote:So the missing ind cov do not influence the slope in this way, but what about the p-value?
I would like to test the effect of an ind cov that is only available for 3 years, but to get the best survival estimates I would like to use my complete data set which includes data from over 10 years. However, in this way I would have a lot of missing values and I cannot test for the significance of the ind cov anymore? Is there a way to do this?

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University of Groningen
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No...and with only 3 years of data, there will be significant limits to how strong an inference you can make about the influence of an individual covariate anyway.
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Missing covariate reference??

Postby Bernd Gruber » Tue Jan 17, 2006 6:47 am

Dear Markers,

I am looking for a reference in the literature that can be used to cite the idea that if the individual covariate is missing for some animals the mean of the covariate can be used to still include these animals for the survival estimate.

I found this idea mentioned here and in the gentle introduction, but nowhere else. If anyone could send me a reference (as far as I recall the "Gentle introduction should not be cited), it would be very helpful.

Thanks in advance,

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