marked as juvs & adults DM

[Rebecca]

Greetings All,

I have a dataset with individuals marked as juveniles and adults (chapter 8). Although I am creating models where survival is equal for all adults (regardless of age at marking; unsure of the nomenclature a2 t/t?) I am first testing if adult survival varies as a function of age at marking (a2 t/t/t) – then reducing these models like the final example on page 8-25 where it assumes equal survival for all adults.

Originally I built most of the models using the PIMs. But I realize I should have build all the models with the DM – not only does this make it easier to build my a2 t/t models but it’s more flexible ie I could look at an environmental covariate (which is what I need to now do). Plus I would learn more!

All went well until this model: phi (a2 t/t/c) p (a2 c/c/t)
Where I have time-dependence in survival for juveniles and adults marked as juveniles (constant for adults) and constant recapture for juveniles and adults marked as juveniles and time-dependence in adult recapture.

PIMs
Phi Group1 = marked as juveniles
1 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19;
2 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19;
3 13 14 15 16 17 18 19;
4 14 15 16 17 18 19;
5 15 16 17 18 19;
6 16 17 18 19;
7 17 18 19;
8 18 19;
9 19;
10;
Phi Group2 = marked as adults
Not shown (all values = 20)

p Group1 = marked as juveniles
21 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22;
21 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22;
21 22 22 22 22 22 22 22;
21 22 22 22 22 22 22;
21 22 22 22 22 22;
21 22 22 22 22;
21 22 22 22;
21 22 22;
21 22;
21;

p Group2 = marked as adults
23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32;
24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32;
25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32;
26 27 28 29 30 31 32;
27 28 29 30 31 32;
28 29 30 31 32;
29 30 31 32;
30 31 32;
31 32;
32;

Design matrix (sorry for the size)
1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0;
1 1 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0;
1 1 1 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0;
1 1 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0;
1 1 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0;
1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0;
1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0;
1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0;
1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0;
1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0;
1 1 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0;
1 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0;
1 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0;
1 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0;
1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0;
1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0;
1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0;
1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0;
1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0;
1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0;
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0;
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0;
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0;
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0;
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0;
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0;
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0;
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0;
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0;
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0;
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1;
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0;

With this DM I end up with a different deviances and only 24 parameters (instead of the 32 using the PIMs). I used a similar approach when building the model Phi (a2 t/t/c) p (a2 c/c/c) and had no problems. Do you think it might be because juvenile survival is very low and hence the category ‘adult marked as juvenile’ is small and I have simply run out of DF?

any insights would be greatly appreciated
Rebecca