I have a problem concerning bias in lambda estimates using Pradel model due to permanent trap response. I thought I would post my situation to see if anybody had any suggestions or ideas. I am interested in estimating population rate of change and recruitment for two endangered fishes in a large lake in Oregon. We began capturing and tagging fish annually using PIT tags in 1995. In the past we relied on capturing fish in nets as our primary marking and recapture method; however despite tagging large numbers of fish, recapture probabilities were extremely low (.03 - .10). In 2005 and 2006 we incorporated remote underwater PIT sensing equipment at strategic locations to improve p's. The new remote PIT tag detections systems greatly improved our p's (around .4 - .

; however, they have also created a severe permanent trap response. This arises because unmarked fish have a very low probability of being captured, marked, and released; however, once they are marked they have a very high probability of being detected in the remote gear the following year. In a sense they become extremely trap happy. This new technology has greatly enhanced our ability to estimate and model survival, but I'm not sure I can incorporate it into Pradel models without introducing severe bias. Any suggestions?